Capitol Chaos: SAFER Banking Act's Journey Through the Speaker-less House

In this must-listen episode of Cannabis Man, we dive deep into the politics of cannabis reform with David Culver, a key player at the U.S. Cannabis Council and Legalize America. We bring you real-time updates as we listen in on the latest vote for Speaker of the House of Representatives—a critical vote with implications for the SAFER Banking Act.

👉 Highlights:

• SAFER Banking Act: David breaks down the nitty-gritty of this transformative legislation, explaining what it means for the cannabis industry and why it matters right now.
• Speaker of the House Vote: We offer you a front-row seat to the live vote, with David providing moment-to-moment analysis on flipped votes and the shifting political landscape.
• The Future: What's the timeline for re-scheduling cannabis? And could the Cole Memorandum be making a comeback? Get David's expert insights into what comes next for cannabis legislation.

🎙️ Don't miss this episode if you want to understand the complex tapestry of cannabis policy, banking regulations, and legislative actions that are shaping the future of cannabis in America.

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Transcript

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I really appreciate you jumping on here right now just uh talking about cannabis with me I am discussing cannabis this
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week as well with one such expert uh he's an excellent Insider in Washington
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DC he's lived and worked there for a long long time and has a lot of connections in in government as well as
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the Cannabis space uh David Culver is back with us he is with the the US cannabis Council and legalize America
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and so David and I uh during our interview we talk about a lot of different things uh safer banking as as
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it's now known the bill that passed the Senate uh earlier uh this session just
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not that long ago about a month or so and uh and was on track to move forward
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but now that the US House of Representatives has been without a speaker for over two weeks an historic
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gap of time without that position having been filled um it has brought all of of
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government to a standstill until that's addressed there is a hearing today uh to
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see whether or not an Ohio rep Republican Jim Jordan has the the votes
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in order to fill this seat and David uh after our interview uh we decided to
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listen in on the feed from the house floor uh as this vote tally is being taken so David and I are going to talk
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for a while and then you're going to hear that uh vote and this isn't
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something that I typically do on the show but it's this is definitely an historic moment it's newsworthy and I
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thought it might be an opportunity if if you you might not be familiar with how things go on on the senate floor or the
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house floor uh you can actually listen to one of these procedures taking place and kind of you know just it's it is it
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is dry it is a vote being taken but there are nuances that David kind of goes through in terms of why certain
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votes matter which names to look out for and some context behind uh whether or
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not they changed why they might have changed their votes and then looking ahead whether or not uh Jim Jordan wins
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uh which we now know he uh he did not win enough votes but uh you can kind of
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hear why that matters and what is uh likely waiting ahead uh whether or not
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Jordan is going to press for a third vote for him or maybe an exp ion of
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powers for Mr McKenry who is the uh protm speaker so anyway that's what I
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have in store for you on this episode I hope you enjoy it I thought it might be an interesting exercise and again kind
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of look into what's going on in DC at this really crazy moment for that and
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having an Insider uh somebody who is so experienced along for the ride and David I thought might be worth it for all of
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us to check it out so I hope you enjoy it as well and next week I'll certainly be back with another interview and
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another uh discussion about cannabis events talking to you about what strain
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I'm smoking on as well as some news and uh cannabis things that you can look forward to in the communities around you
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and all that good jazz that we normally get into on the Cannabis man
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podcast
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[Music]
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this is Tommy Chong and you're listening to the cannbis
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broadcast listener welcome back uh I've got a special treat for you today I uh
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it's a a favorite guest that I I'm very very happy to have back extremely informative uh he is the senior vice
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president of public affairs with the US cannabis Council uh and uh with the uh new Super PAC uh the political action
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committee legalize America uh he is David Culver and he's here to talk about
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what is going on in the uh house the US House of Representatives and the speaker
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vote that they're having as well as how uh the lack of speaker and their pursuit of one right now is impacting the
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timeline for safe banking which as we know passed the Senate a little earlier and uh and and looking forward to things
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like you know further steps like rescheduling cannabis and where that priority lies with all the other items
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on the agenda of Congress so listener please join me in welcoming David Culver back to the show welcome David oh thanks
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so much Don great to be with you uh great to be back again and uh thanks for uh your work and I love the show and
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glad to be back again thanks so much man yeah I really appreciate it got a lot of positive feedback from the information
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you gave on on your last interview and and people love to hear I think this
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close uh closeup on the ground uh take of what's going on in DC especially
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where you know cannabis is concerned because you know state byst state as we know it's been very strange with having
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each state do its own thing in terms of cannabis policy we know that certain
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things are never going to get better until until the federal government can make some real policy changes here so
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that it's not such a hodgepodge thing and you you really are able to give us a great look at what's going on there and
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what's going on this morning is we are approaching a second vote for a new
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speaker of the house at least in terms of whether or not uh Jim Jordan is going
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to be that speaker uh so can we you know we're recording this uh uh the morning of October 18th Wednesday and uh on
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Tuesday Jim Jordan lost an attempt to take that speaker role can you tell us
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just briefly a little about what happened yesterday David yeah for sure uh so I think uh listeners might
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remember that uh there was a caucus vote um that uh Jim Jordan won uh originally
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after speaker McCarthy was ansted uh there was a vote for Steve scal from Louisiana right and he he won the vote
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inside the caucus but he actually did not um decide to take his candidacy to
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the floor because he knew based on his whip operation that he was that he didn't have enough those to succeed so
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he dropped out of the race um and then uh they went back to the caucus the
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caucus voted again uh Jim Jordan uh was the favorite and um he received the
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majority of the votes but there were a number of members dozens actually that voted against him inside the caucus so
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the big question then was what does the vote look like on the floor and um
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representative Jordan decided to move to the floor yesterday uh and they had the vote uh in the afternoon he did um he
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did not get enough votes and in fact he had 20 members uh vote against uh his
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candidacy which um that was about where I thought things were on Monday on Tuesday Morning the media was reporting
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that that number had actually shrunk significantly based on a lot of work that he and his allies had had been
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doing right um but it actually ended up kind of where we all thought it was going to
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be and they they really didn't pick up anybody knew except you know there were a few exceptions to that comment and so
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the question for today really is when they they're going to be gathering in here in about 10 minutes uh they'll have
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a number of um procedural items that they they go through before they get to the vote itself but the big question on
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everybody's mind is does his uh vote count get better uh or does his vote
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count get worse um and we can dig into this a little bit more but you know he's pledged as of yesterday uh to continue
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uh to to keep going and you'll remember that speaker McCarthy took him 15 uh
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votes in order to uh to get the gabble uh and you know really how long is Mr
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Jordan gonna decide to stay into this right and I think today's vote will really determine a lot of that if he if
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he loses additional votes then I think he's going to have to have a serious conversation with his team about whether
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he stays in and continues to push um but if he gains I think you you can expect
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additional votes to occur if today's vote is not successful sure yeah that that makes sense and thank you for for
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laying it out that way I I I would I would say he he seems and I don't you know I don't know very much about uh Jim
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Jordan but I I I do know that he seems committed to not wearing a suit jacket
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so I based on the commitment to that it's seems like he's a committed guy so I I expect that he would uh push for for
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a few more rounds of votes I guess he absolutely doesn't wear his jacket uh but the you know the politics that are
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swirling around today are really interesting around this vote and there are the Medias reported last night in
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this morning that there are a number of uh small groups within the Republican caucus that have put together uh wish
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lists in fact there was reporting this morning about a long island group of legislators that had three items that
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wanted um speaker Jordan to agree to or speaker Jordan he's not there yet but Mr Jordan to agree to um in advance of
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their yes vote so we'll see if there's are additional you know conversations like that and additional deals that are
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cut um but there's also a a comments that are coming out of those that uh
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have opposed his candidacy uh and they remain remain committed um it's a lot of
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appropriators that are concerned about his view as it relates to the federal budget and I I don't really see any of
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them backing down so my my prediction is that once they gel in and get to this boat uh that we'll probably end up
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seeing more than 20 this time around uh versus less and then it's a big question
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of what's next right exactly and and that is that that is the question because uh with once you know whatever
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does happen with this vote um if Jordan loses again then it's sort of like all right and and let's say then that the
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votes fall where like you just said that he cost more so that it's clear that he doesn't have it then what are what is
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the likely next step uh there there is the there's the speaker proor I believe
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is the is the title McKenry if I'm not mistaken who who has the gavl currently
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uh I've been reading that there are some moves to expand you know give him some expanded powers in this sort of interim
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role uh do you think that that's a likely next step if if Jordan doesn't get the votes I really do uh I I I think
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that um the nation has a number of uh urgent issues that are that the house
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needs to act on uh they need they need to get back to the people's business and of course uh top of the list is uh the
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situation in Israel they're our strongest Ally in the region um the president is there now as as I'm sure
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your listeners know um and if those of you that are listening have not listened listened to the president's speech I
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strongly encourage you to do so U but America's watching what's going on there um and we're standing with Israel uh so
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the house needs to to get this figured out and they need to act and one of the
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easiest ways to do this uh is to expand um the temporary speaker mchenry's role
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uh this is Uncharted Territory but I I do think it's something that is is very real uh and something that each faction
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within the Republican caucus could agree to I actually said yesterday uh to a group of um my us cannabis council
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members that that's actually where my money is going uh is that that's the next step and then they continue to work
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on trying to find a consensus candidate or potentially uh going back to McCarthy
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I mean let's let's not forget that 90% 96% of his CAU has voted for him um and
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he was still oued so I I I still think that the mcth that McCarthy is still on
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the table um but I I do feel pretty confident telling the listeners that um
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I think this expanded role for um McKenry is is very real especially given
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that I feel like the the vote today uh is is actually the the vote Count's going to slip um against Mr Jordan such
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an interesting point David the the the notion that McCarthy is also still an option especially given you know you
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were just mentioning how there's these different factions that seem to be you know having a wish list you know if if
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they would support Somebody Like Jordan we know that that happened with kthy and that that was something that kind of
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came up again in his ultimate ouster was that there were some who were pushing
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back against the the fact that he made compromises to some specific groups in order to get their initial support and
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and it's just fascinating to me that you know sort of that that there are more that that behavior is continuing with
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this current you know looking for a new speaker uh it just sort of makes me wonder like where does that end you know
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I mean how how could continue uh to try and like drum up support if you're just
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taking if you're taking down orders uh of favors or or future to-do list you
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know I items for for so many different more groups every single time well it it
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just makes the job impossible based on the concessions that you have to to provide in order to get it we saw that
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you know very very clearly uh with um speaker McCarthy and but this is not
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just a speaker McCarthy issue it goes back uh one speaker after after the other this has been going on for for
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quite some time it's it's you know the job is is nearly an impossible one as a
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result of it but I I think the most important comments I think I can make
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right at this moment is that there is urgent business that the House of Representatives needs to attend to
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whether it's keeping the government open or addressing um our our key Ally that
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is Israel they need to get back to the people's business and they need to do it now and um the clearest and easiest way
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for them to do that is is obviously to expand Mr mchenry's Authority uh to
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tackle some of these issues the second point is that the the appetite for uh a
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very lengthy floor day after day week after week uh debate and vote for a
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speaker is really gone I I I just don't think members want to see it anymore I
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think they're fed up with this you're you're seeing more and more members publicly lash out uh just about the fact
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that they they can't get their themselves in order uh and this is really bad politics uh for the
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Republicans if if I'm the Democrats uh I'm going to sit there and keep my
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caucus in line which Hakeem Jeff has done and I'm going to let them um sit in
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this mess that they are currently in uh because politically it's it's very very bad for for republicans and I think um
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you know if you're uh the chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee which is the campaign armed
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for the house Democrats uh you you're kind of salivating over this and the longer this plays out the better it's
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going to be for Democratic candidates in 2024 I I completely agree I'm glad you said that because I I think that it's as
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you said that the appetite among house members is gone and I feel that the American people feel the exact same way
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I mean there is urgent business you you certainly mention the situation in Israel um I think listeners may know
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there was a hospital attack yesterday it's just it's it's it continues to escalate it it's been an untenable
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situation and as as much as we've aided Ukraine in its war with Russia um in the
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Middle East with with Israel and and Hamas here this is an even more uh dire
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situation because there are there are more allies there are more countries that that are all kind of tied up into
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this and as as as David said you know Israel is our greatest Ally in that area uh it's something that needs to be done
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but how does this looking at cannabis uh this speaker you know vote and and the
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the other agenda the other items on the agenda how does this impact safe banking what does that timeline look like now
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yeah good question so let's actually shell the House of Representatives and
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this uh speaker debate uh for the for for a moment and I know that that's what
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everybody is focused on and certainly the media sucking all of the oxygen out of the room um but let's talk about uh
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the Senate first um right because I think that uh the the intention of
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leader Schumer now that this uh the safer it's got an r in the end of it now it's no longer safe it's safer safer
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banking gotcha saer banking post markup yep and maybe if the house passes it
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it'll become the safest Banking Act I'm not quite sure let's hope right let's go for the safest safest maybe they change
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that acronym again um but after the bill was was passed out of full committee um
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after the markup leader Schumer has said the repeatedly that his intention is to bring it to the floor in a timely manner
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and um the work period last week they were in recess but they are in uh a work
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the fall work period now which goes all the way to November 17 and I think that we have um I I think the leader still
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intends to bring it uh to the floor for a full vote uh at some point during this
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work period and just to be a little bit more specific because the government funding deadline is November 177
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I think if you back up one full week and assume that the Senate has focused on that funding question that week but then
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the week prior and the week prior to that I think those are both windows of opportunity for us uh to see this bill
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go to the floor um and then the question is you know what what does it look like
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exactly uh and we can get into that discussion as you would like but if the bill does get out of the the Senate and
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I believe that there are the votes for that right now uh it would obviously of the house and um we have to tackle the
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speaker when when he or she is in place depending on who that might be and what their policy position has been on
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cannabis but in the meantime we have an enormous amount of spade work that is left to be done in order to to continue
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to build the number of co-sponsors uh on that bill so we don't have as many uh
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co-sponsors as we did during the last Congress and we've done a great job with many of my colleagues in the government
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re government relations space uh to build co-sponsors and we're going to continue to do that in fact us cannabis
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Council has our our big fly in next week will'll be all over Capitol Hill middle of next week advocating for this piece
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of legislation but we need to get that co-sponsor number up higher uh and then
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um we will tackle the committee and we will also tackle uh leadership when when he or she is in place and I I think it's
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also important to note and this is very much in the weeds um but I will explain
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this as simply as I can the the safer Banking Act went through a process in
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the Senate that they refer to as regular order which means that it was introduced they had a Committee hearing they had a
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markup uh and then the the bill is now sitting and waiting for floor time
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that's regular order because they did that um that opens up additional
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possibilities for the bill to be attached uh to uh pieces of legisl that
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are going to move later this year uh and in addition to it being offered as a standalone so one scenario is that it
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passes out of the Senate as a standalone and then the um they address it the
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house and the Senate addresses address it together um as a part of some of
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these end ofe packages so potentially a big spending package so the Omnibus we call it right that we would use to fund
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the government at the end of the year could we tack it onto that and could we get a by uh the two leaders in the Senate and
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the two leaders in the house so you know big question mark there but um there is the possibility in my mind that this
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does not need to move through regular order in the house and that it could get attached to a moving vehicle later this
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year wow that that's that's great and and listener you'll remember that uh that David uh knew predicted that that
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safe banking would pass the senate in in that form that it did before uh you know
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the the shutdown talk and then the speaker ouster kind of took took all the oxygen out of the room as he mentioned
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but uh so that's very exciting to hear uh and knowing that November 17th just a little less than a month away from right
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now uh is is the end of that fall session and that uh you know we could have a passage of this uh at that point
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which is extremely exciting um and and the fact that everything does seem to get added to these Omnibus you know
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bills you you mentioned that that term and it's like it's Omnibus it just sort of brings to mind like this Frankenstein
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gigantic you know uh lumbering creature of a bill because you know it's it's a spending package that has to be passed
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and so all kinds of legislative pieces get added to it um special interest
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stuff I suppose and it it does make sense to me that then uh safe safer
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banking might be uh one of those that makes it into the Omnibus uh I I think
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that that would seems like everything else gets added to it so why not this as well I think that uh that that makes a
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lot of sense to me um it looks like they're still uh kind of standing around the door on the floor of the house here
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they could uh you know looks like there's people gathered outside I'm expecting that they're going to open these uh these doors any any time here
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but uh uh David uh let's let's talk a little about mchenry's thoughts on on
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cannabis if if you at least in terms of what he's indicated in the past so far does he is he someone that seems um like
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he would do anything to thwart uh the passage of of a safer banking or get
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involved in this kind of like uh redirecting it in any way or delaying it well let's talk about McKenry let's also
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talk briefly about Jim Jordan because you know as we sit here waiting for this vote to happen there is the possibility
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that uh you know things take a turn in his Direction he does end up being speaker um uh but if you look at the uh
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the voting record on cannabis both for Mr McKenry and um for Mr Jordan uh it's
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it's it's not good um and I think that U they do not have uh cannabis reform
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issues on their list of priorities um neither one of them so I I don't want to sugarcoat the chairman of the financial
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services committee's position nor the potential uh new speaker of of the house
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on the more positive side Mr McKenry has said to um industry uh lobbyist like
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myself uh repeatedly that he understands that there's a number of members on his Comm
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that are willing or that are pressing for the the state Banking Act uh to move through the committee process um and he
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would like they would very much like to see the committee address it uh and I think he would be willing to give the committee that opportunity uh to do so I
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think with Mr Jordan there is um you know again he has a long record of
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opposing candidates perform measures but Ohio is has a robust medical program uh
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the state where he's from um they also have the possibility of going to full adult use and the polling I've seen has
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suggested that they will actually vote in favor of adult use so agreed this issue of money at these dispensaries uh
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cash at these dispensaries is going to lead to problems like other states have seen uh robberies um and deaths and I
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hope these don't happen in the state of Ohio but I think they will because every other state has seen them so this is a
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public safety issue and we know that uh Mr Jordan in particular has has a long
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history of supporting Law and Order and Public Public Safety so that's how I
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speak about this issue when I'm talking about it uh to Republicans and this is
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um you know we can avoid uh the crime and potential death that comes with
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having an allash business uh like like cannabis um and this is just giving
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folks the ability to put their money into a regular depository institution like you and I do yeah so I I think I
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think there's a play there with with both of these more conservative members um to get this done I also think that um
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you know while this may not be a priority it's definitely not a priority for the Republican caucus uh this has
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passed the House of Representatives seven times with an overwhelming number of Republicans and we have some of the
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best Champions um out there that are advocating in the house on the Republican side for the stfe Banking Act
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and um I'm going to do my job building the list of co-sponsors and I'm going to let them do their job to try to shepher
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the B throat right on the house will come to order the prayer will be offered by chaplain kiban well as you can hear
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David they just gaveled in the session the house is now in session uh they are uh going the chaplain is going through
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um this the opening prayer right now for the session so uh we're going to hear a
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little bit of this uh vote uh count is that right this the the speaker is that
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the first um issue that they'll that'll be brought to to the floor uh so most
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likely what they'll do is uh the chaplain uh will give her open which she's doing right now uh and then they
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will do the Pledge of Allegiance uh and then they will most likely do a um a
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quorum call so this is this is a an opportunity for members to register that
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they are present uh so that leadership knows uh who's in the chamber and then I
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believe that they will pivot and go right to the second vote for Mr Jordan
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um so you know it could be a little bit longer um before we see that vote begin
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for sure yeah that that makes sense and and you know yeah got to get the pledge in got to got to count who's actually
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there present I totally understand that uh it sounds like we may be able to to talk briefly about something else while
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they're kind of going through those steps and I'll watch this screen and obviously when they do kind of bring
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that uh when they do bring it up uh I will fade the audio a little bit higher so we can listen in uh on that uh in the
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meantime you you had mentioned uh Schumer uh who's you know who is planning to bring safer banking to the
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the floor of the Senate uh I had read uh the other day that Senator Chuck Grassley uh sent a a letter to Schumer
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recently I think last month uh expressing concern about the the Senate's uh and this is a quote ongoing
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prioritizing of legislation relaxing marijuana laws uh over other uh GOP
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senator favors and stuff uh that relate to prohibiting fenel that was just an
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example that was given by Grassley um can we talk a little about where the
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opposition is like you know separate from the Speaker of the House separate from all of this going on just in terms
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of Senate support uh from someone like Grassley sure well uh Senator Grassley
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uh is definitely not a Canabis uh reform advocate in the US Sen right um so you
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know that's very clear based on his many decades in the chamber uh and he's not
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going to change his uh position in any way shape or form uh to be supportive of the reform measures that I advocate for
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day in and day out the fentanyl issue that he raises uh is a very interesting one so for any of uh your listeners that
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paid attention to the uh Senate Banking Committee markup there was a a rather
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heated just exchange as heated as the US Senate exchanges can be um between
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Senator Hagerty from Tennesse and um and then there was a comment from Senator sen Sena a very positive one actually U
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to kind of conclude the matter but he brought up Sentinel and he brought up the need for uh the Senate to act um
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it's it's an enormous issue that uh every member is hearing about day in and day out uh from their constituents it's
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something that I think that Congress should act on um and after uh the
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amendment that Senator Hagerty proposed uh was rejected Senator Senus said I
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also believe this is an important issue it's a crisis in my state and I'd like to work with you on this so um I haven't
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seen anything materialized yet but I don't think it's a bad thing if uh there
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were to be a fentanyl measure uh that was considered as a part of State banking um we have a pretty delicate
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balance that is the banking bill as negotiated um and you know we we don't want to upset the
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alpha cart there but um I I I don't see why members would be opposed um to a
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fentanyl provision if it's reasonable uh for both sides and again I haven't seen any
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language to be added to this in fact I think it might actually add some Republican support at the end of the day
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gotcha yeah that makes sense I mean fenel is obviously a a major issue I mean opioid overdoses over the last you
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know five to seven years have just gone you know blown the roof right off in the country and it's not it's it's not a it
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doesn't seem like there's any time to waste you know there's every single day you know people are getting this it's
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it's in everything now and it's just uh it's it is across the country state
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state by state and I think that there's a relationship there you know with with cannabis you know i' I've spoken with
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people on the show interviewing doctors in terms of pain uh medication and they they have said that cannabis is the only
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viable alternative to opiates for joint pain and for chronic pain and so there's
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a lot of people medically who are using you know opiate products um and then
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there are people who are turning to non pharmaceutical grade products let's say who maybe don't have access to the
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healthcare who may not have access to Legal cannabis um and that is where fenel is entering this equation so I
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think there is a there is a natural tie-in with a cannabis bill and
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something that would address the the fentanyl situation uh so I think that's a great point and I want to mention they are in the middle of the Roll Call uh
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with the house right now they're still a little under 12 minutes remaining for them they got uh 180 have now voted
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present and there's still 253 who are uh who haven't yet uh called their vote so
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we're just still kind of keeping an eye on on this as they uh as they finish this roll call here um moving on uh from
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from safe banking there and and grassly anyway uh you you had mentioned next week what the US cannabis Council will
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be doing in terms of uh talking with members of Congress putting this this issue top of mind again what's legalized
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America working on uh right now and in the near future well I'm very excited about legalized America we uh were able
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to talk about this last time I was on the show and this was an initiative uh that we launched uh through US cannabis
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Council uh it is a super pack the first of its kind uh and there are two things
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that uh we are focused on and we're still in the preliminary stages uh on on
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both items these it just take time to to build and to get these up and running
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but I think we will be prepared uh for the election season in 2024 but uh we
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have done a test case uh as a uh a Roundup campaign in three dispensaries
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in in one state and um the results after the first month have been really really
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s positive uh so I'm excited to take that model and to move it into a much
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broader uh Nationwide campaign where cannabis consumers are able to round up
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their spare change uh from their purchase and we're able to to use it for
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um the electioneering efforts that um that we've got at USC um we also have a
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very significant online fundraising platform that these things they uh just
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to simplify it it takes a long time to get them warmed up um uh but we have warmed this up over the last couple
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months and uh we are beginning our fundraising uh online as well so uh
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we're trying to make sure that the uh cannabis consumer uh and those that are um in favor of cannabis reform across
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the country understand all of the things that are that are happening uh here in Washington and in the states uh and
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really give them an opportunity to throw in a little bit of money to help us with our political efforts and you know the
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the Cannabis industry has never had um a really significant chunk of U political
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funding that they could use both for electioneering um and also for just direct advocacy here in Washington we've
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got a lot of companies that uh have invested in uh government relations in Washington but uh we believe that
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legalize America uh and the Roundup campaign uh they're they're separate but we believe they're going to generate a
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significant amount of funds for us to have a much louder voice for Canabis reform I I I love it I I know you you
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did bring this up last time and I'm glad you did and and I I we can talk about it every every single time because I I
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think that it is it is as you say it is such a major component of uh political
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action for for lack of a better term but just sort of moving you know moving the reality of of the the not just
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legalization of a substance but the normalization um lobbying and and a a
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Grassroots effort with funding in Washington is the way that priorities of
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of any groups any groups with certain interests or or or looking at like legislative agendas that's the that's
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the way that they get things done people you know engaging with the show and just online like my whole life you know
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there's questions that people have in terms of you know all right like if you if you're not into fossil fuels why are
35:57
we still so beholden to them you know why does the p why does the Pentagon budget go up every year why do the
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pharmaceutical Industries Why are they so you know baked in to us Healthcare all all of these questions have the same
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answer which is to say that there are companies and and there's a lot of money um tied into those groups and they have
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relationships with lawmakers um it's not you can debate whether that's good or bad but it is the reality of how things
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are done and cannabis has been sorely lacking such representation and funding
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and those relationships with lawmakers you know since since the prohibition since it's been you know totally dragged
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through the mud with the propaganda of last century and such so I I I think that what you're doing at legalize
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America I think the Roundup campaign is great cuz I know that there's plenty of cannabis enthusiasts who would be happy
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to add a little bit you know round up their purchase of whatever they're buying flower gummies you know getting
36:55
set for the weekend or whatever uh and pay an extra dollar or two to go to
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making sure that cannabis is and remains a priority for the lawmakers in Washington so I think what you guys are
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doing is really great well that's exactly right and you know absolutely come back to me in January I'm GNA have
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some more specifics that I can share about what we're going to be doing with the funding that that we receive but uh
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you know cannabis consumers do want to see uh the end of the war on drugs and
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uh you know I'm very supportive of what the president and specifically the health and human services department has has proposed as
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it relates to moving Canada's down schedule but that doesn't end formally the the War on Drugs it's it's the first
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step to doing so and it's a very very important one and I applaud the president and secretary BAH for for
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where they have ended up on this yeah thus far but but I I think that um you know folks would like to see the healing
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process uh begin as a nation those that are cannabis consumers they understand band um that the War on Drugs targeted
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primarily people of color and um they they don't want to see that anymore and many of the um the arrests are still
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occurring and many of the people in this country that that were previously arrested uh especially at the state
38:13
level which is the bulk of the arrests um they're still suffering the consequences of of the arrests for minor
38:19
amounts of of cannabis so um we need to start that healing process as a nation
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uh and legalize America is put an enormous Spotlight on that and we hope
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that it's persuasive uh to lawmakers um to to really go ahead and end this and
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then do the things that are necessary uh to start healing as a nation totally yeah great great Point well said I mean
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the War on Drugs too I think again people are tired of it the the intended and unintended consequences are just uh
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we've all had enough of them and we know it's failed we know that it's it's been a failed attempt you know it's War on
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Drugs is not uh the attitude to sort of level at this this part of our Lives
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it's it's not the way that you deal with addiction it's not the way that you um you know especially with something with
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cannabis which as we've talked about before and and I you know ring the bell on the show it's just the the fact that
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we've so normalized alcohol um and that you know cannabis even just the use of
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it is still putting people in cells is just it's beyond absurd and it is time for that to to to end um you mentioned
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the reschedule which is obviously I applaud President Biden as well the Health and Human Services secretary all
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the recommendations that have been coming uh in the last year from the the White House and and those
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administrations or the the other offices of the government um that are involved in this have been very encouraging and
39:44
so let's talk a little about what as the as this uh vote count here or as the uh
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the roll call for the house continues got 140 uh left yet who are still uh
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voting present uh let them know that they're there uh but let's talk a little about rescheduling um what what what is
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the timeline like what are this what would the first steps be how does this look in the actual real world rollout
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you know once we get to it yeah uh all good questions and I don't have solid answers uh for for much of it but um
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that's okay you know just is fine yeah of course um I I think you know I'm
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thinking about uh I view this as a three-step process uh the first step of course was October of last year when the
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president uh directed HHS and the Department of Justice uh to collaborate
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with one another on a review of Where Canada should be unschedule um HHS takes
40:40
the lead on this type of um directive from the president uh and they have completed their business so they have
40:46
made the recommendation that based on the science uh and the eth factor analysis that they they went through
40:53
that uh this would be moved down uh the can should be moved down to schedule three um we're in a process now where
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the ball has been thrown to the drug enforcement agency they're the the third and final piece of this um and the DEA
41:08
has uh basically four steps left so the first is um reviewing the classification
41:15
of Canabis based on a five factor analysis um and they have to take into account obligations like um
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International treaties uh Etc but that's kind of what they have been doing while
41:28
HHS has been going through their analysis and that is continuing as far as I know um they are then going to
41:35
formulate a proposed rule uh they will then announce a public comment period uh
41:41
and so that will be initiated uh and then the administration administrator of the DEA will will publish in the Federal
41:48
Register a final order and in a final Rule and then it's done when does that actually uh begin so when does the when
41:55
did they formulate a proposed Rule and when did they release it we don't know there's been widespread speculation that
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uh it would actually be this fall and that would be the beginning of the process that actually makes a lot of
42:08
sense to me that they would do some sort of an announcement this fall then they would go to a public comment period
42:15
which could be uh 60 to 90 days perhaps longer uh and then they would tally all
42:20
of those results and then they would they would make their final order and final rule um so I I think we will see
42:27
the dea's final decision before uh the election um you know politically
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cannabis is a really really good issue for uh the president to run on it helps with the youth vote among others and um
42:41
I think that they're planning on on using it for that purpose uh and you know they need to let both agencies go
42:48
through their process but I would expect we'll have final answer at some point um
42:53
next summer or uh early fall very exciting it it's it is very exciting and
42:59
and as you mentioned it's it is a good issue for the president uh to to run on certainly uh I most recent poll that
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that I had seen was something like 55% of Americans uh want safe safer banking
43:12
past it's down a little from from recent years but that's still a majority of the
43:18
country uh as you mentioned the War on Drugs too I think people they they want this change they're hungry for it you
43:23
know and it's uh it is uh very much that time to to make the change and it's
43:29
exciting to hear you know from you and and and others and just really see the the evidence of this ground swell
43:35
continue to move when you're hearing you know orders from the the president the sitting actual president from the White
43:41
House directing the HHS you know secretary to look into rescheduling and and all of this um it's uh it's it's
43:49
very very exciting and I know that we're all looking forward to that so um David one one other sort of possibility as as
43:55
again seems like some other representatives are still trickling in their votes here um just out of curiosity what are the other options if
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if it's not going to be Jordan and it's not McKenry um what what's another if there is I mean what what's another
44:09
possibility that could end up here is is Jeff at all on the table so I don't think so um I I I think that you know
44:16
the Democrats have largely stayed out of this uh publicly I'm sure that there has
44:23
there have been some behind the scenes discussions with some of the uh Centrist more Centrist Republicans uh about
44:30
supporting you know the Democrats bringing a block of folks over to support a consensus candidate but um I
44:37
don't think that there is appetite within the Republican caucus to engage with the Democrats um to to allow them
44:44
to choose their speaker I just I don't see that that happening I think that that's way down my list in terms of what
44:51
is real uh and I don't know that any other consensus candidate is is out
44:56
there that um you know could could gain that level of support within the caucus
45:02
there's been lots of names that have been floated around um over the last few
45:07
weeks uh but again I I think the more realistic possibility is uh this
45:13
expansion of Authority for Mr McKenry um temporarily and then of course
45:19
discussions about is it McCarthy or is there somebody else that um the caucus
45:24
could stomach and they go ahead and bring he or she to the floor and they wrap this up um because they need to
45:32
understand that the politics are getting worse and worse and worse for them and I'm sure they know it better than I do
45:38
their members are tired of this uh they need to get on with their business they want to be they want to be able to go
45:45
home and talk about proactive things that they're doing uh for our Ally Israel uh they want to talk about the
45:52
work that they're doing to keep the government open uh and they want to talk about other initiatives but they're
45:57
they're pressing for to try to get done before the end of the year so I think that they're going to need to find a solution sooner rather than later um but
46:05
I don't think that there's another consensus candidate that has really risen that that is real at this moment
46:11
you mentioned this the coal memorandum that we had talked about in our last interview um let let's talk about that
46:17
and and how it relates to what's going on now in the house uh so this is actually a this would be an
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administrative action um and really the the the mess that is the House of
46:28
Representatives at the moment um shouldn't have any impact on this at all I I think that there are a number of
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advocacy groups in the Canada space and also a number of people within the
46:41
administration both at doj HHS and even inside the White House that believe that
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uh it's time to reissue the the C memorandum so U this was issued in uh
46:54
2013 dealt with with uh enforcement and actually uh directing the agency's uh
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key law or chief law enforcement folks not to enforce in the Cannabis space in
47:06
state legal markets um and I think that there's feeling including my own that um
47:12
the possibility of reissuing this memo under a different name of course in an
47:17
expanded form is something that's very possible and two kind of major areas
47:23
that that I'm thinking about one is uh Financial Service so you know is there a way to use this
47:29
memo uh to talk about many of the things that the state Banking Act would accomplish but let's assume the Banking
47:35
Act doesn't doesn't get signed into law I think it still will but let's assume it doesn't is there a way to use this
47:41
memorandum uh to assist access to Capital uh uplisting Etc there's a whole
47:47
host of things that they may potentially be able to to put in there related to um
47:53
Financial Services the second piece of this are items that I think could go a
47:59
really long way if the president were to to include them um in in terms of
48:05
helping those that have been impacted by the War on Drugs negatively impacted by the war on drugs and communities that
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have been negatively impacted so um a few that come to mind are housing
48:16
Federal housing rules uh immigration rules uh and also testing so workplace
48:23
testing rules uh and if you are someone that is using cannabis in a state legal
48:29
in a legal State um for whatever reasons you choose should you be denied um
48:34
Federal housing as a result um should you be uh should it be caused for a
48:41
deportation as a result uh should you uh lose an opportunity a job opportunity as
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a result of your Canabis use so um there's some really good discussions
48:54
that are happening uh with some of the key uh groups in the Cannabis space and some of the msos were having this
49:01
discussion at uscc fact it's I wrote the slide on this just yesterday for our
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board meeting next week nice um and I think it'll be a really really good uh
49:11
discussion for us to try to figure out what we advocate for um I feel like there's an opportunity for uscc to
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partner um with some of our Progressive allies in the Cannabis space uh to to
49:24
really put our our political effort into getting this memo reissued and de
49:31
pressing on some of these items that I I referenced earlier that would really that are really top on the agenda for um
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the marijuana Justice Coalition and many of the members that associate back yeah that those are those are really
49:44
important points and and it's that is a great idea that's a it's a crucial bit
49:49
of work that needs to be done it's again more of the you know really dark um bad
49:57
Grim parts of uh you Fallout from the war on drugs and the continued stigma
50:03
and and you know the other negative impacts of cannabis you just listed so many other ones that touch people's
50:08
lives and really you know uh almost controls people's lives to a degree
50:14
where you know you can't to to not be able to do things like you know get certain jobs or even find housing um to
50:21
have to deal with that uh to deal with those problems and restrictions throughout life because of something
50:27
like cannabis I think all of us uh would would agree that that's not the way that
50:32
we should be doing things here uh and so something a re a sort of re- uh booting
50:38
or reimagining of the coal memorandum that David was just talking about I think makes a lot of sense to me I'm
50:44
looking at the floor right now and uh we've got Mr McKenry um who will gble
50:50
this closed and open up the next vote talking to Matt Gates you'll recall I don't know what
50:57
that exchange is but this is live happening right now and you'll recall that Mr Gates really was the the leader
51:04
of this group of eight faction that ousted McCarthy so right I would be very curious to know what that conversation
51:11
was about it appeared to be um one of smiles uh and uh slightly slightly
51:18
jovial um but I have I have no idea uh what exactly that was very interesting
51:23
yeah agreed agreed and yeah you are you're correct that that group of eight that was sort of that I guess minority
51:30
faction of the Republican party that was really responsible for getting Kevin McCarthy out Gates was Gates was the
51:35
leader of that band so uh that is kind of uh you know you do wonder what he was
51:41
just kind of chatting about uh you know maybe it was maybe it was the football games this weekend but I I doesn't
51:47
doesn't feel like it you know yeah I I don't know as we are just awaiting you know the the last check-ins here before
51:54
this vote does get underway way uh just looking at those first few letters of the alphabet who are some early names
51:59
that you're kind of keeping an eye out for you know in regards to changes from yesterday and the support that Jordan
52:06
can't afford to lose yeah so the the clerk is going to start to call the RO um for those that uh that didn't watch
52:13
yesterday she will begin to call the role and she does it alphabetically so there's some early names in the alphabet
52:19
of those group of 20s but we're going to know relatively soon whether or not Mr Jordan has the votes or not and um some
52:27
of the members to watch for right off the bat representative Don Bacon from
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Nebraska uh Lori Chavez derer of Oregon Anthony desposito of New York uh Mario
52:40
Diaz Balor Florida uh Jake Elie of Texas um and there's a number of others
52:47
you know you get into the G's I think there's there's four or five um and and
52:53
then the list just keeps going but by by the time we get to the middle of the alphabet actually the first third of the
52:59
alphabet we should know uh whether or not he is U going to be elected speaker or not so it should happen relatively
53:06
quickly yeah that's that that is cool and and we are listener we've got uh two
53:11
uh two left one Republican one Democrat who are still checking in but this should be uh getting underway
53:18
momentarily here and I just want to again uh thank my guest David Culver with the US cannabis Council and legal I
53:25
America for joining us this morning to kind of help us understand a little more deeply what it is that's going on and a
53:32
lot of the nuances and sort of competing interests here uh very very politically
53:38
uh interesting time uh Lots it's it's sort of like uh I don't know I mean I
53:43
don't know if you'd call this the Super Bowl but like there's these last last six weeks or so uh in politics there
53:50
there has just been there's been a lot uh to kind of change things up and and if if it entertains you if this is kind
53:56
of your you know your your content that you enjoy there's been a lot to look at no well yeah I mean if if you are a
54:02
political nerd like I am a self-proclaimed political nerd this is absolutely uh a Super Bowl type moment
54:10
um but quite frankly we've had these moments uh for years now and um I you
54:16
know they have not been good uh for the country it's been absolutely fabulous
54:22
political theater uh but it's been terrible uh for for the United States uh and it's
54:29
been really terrible for for congress um I've been disheartened watching the
54:34
institution take the turn that it has taken um and this is the latest example of uh something that it will do no favor
54:43
to the institution that is the US Congress and it's one that uh you know I personally hold very very sacred um and
54:51
uh I just feel like we continue to run uh into one one issue after another um
54:58
that is is really causing the nation to frown on our legislative BR branch of
55:03
government so I'm hopeful that they can get through this relatively quickly uh and and like I said earlier in the show
55:09
really get back to the people's business because there are some absolutely urgent things that they need to tackle and they
55:15
to they need to do it this month yeah you totally agreed and it's it is it is
55:21
disappointing I know we were just kind of you know making light and enjoying the theater as you say I mean it is
55:26
entertainment the problem is is that this entertainment is coming at a very
55:32
real cost of of the boring work that this that this body both of these bodies
55:37
are normally charged with and that that work directly ties into the fortunes of
55:43
the country of all of us and and then people around the world too so it it is
55:49
it is unfortunate you know I mean this isn't it's not like a movie or a video game where there's just no consequences
55:54
here um even though it may be more entertaining the more of a train wreck this is for some people you you always
56:00
have to keep in mind the very real world consequences um that this that this train wreck um is is having for for
56:07
people because stuff needs to be you know dealt with every single day um there there's a lot going on uh all the
56:14
time in the world and uh and and the American government plays a central role in uh deciding what to do and and kind
56:21
of how to help how to best help people and you know stop the bad guys and and
56:26
and all of of the stuff that it's charged with but um it is as it is as David said it's it's it may be
56:32
entertaining but it is disappointing um and when you you know sort of know the significance you just kind of hope that
56:38
they can get it together and get back to the boring old you know governance that uh that they normally are supposed to be
56:45
doing yeah well it's uh you know the the the Congress was built uh to be a very
56:51
very slow moving uh legislative body and uh they are indeed and you need look no
56:58
further than the the state Banking Act um just to see how long that bill has
57:04
been in Play It's been uh you know it's been under different names but it's been roughly 10 years uh that W this bill has
57:11
been floating around in Congress and we've been trying to get it done now Canabis is a difficult issue uh for a
57:17
lot of members and uh it's you know become more and more normalized in the
57:23
the five plus years that I've been in involved in the Cannabis space but it's still a tough one for for a lot of folks
57:29
and so yeah that that makes progress on it even harder and then you throw in uh
57:35
the shenanigans that uh that we're seeing in Congress and the divisiveness
57:40
uh and it slows the process down even more um but I I I do feel like uh this
57:47
urgent need to act um on Israel is is going to be probably the deciding factor
57:53
in terms of what happen happens next um and I think that you know calmer heads will prevail and the the caucus will
58:00
make some short-term decisions um and then you know go back to in parallel trying to figure out who the next
58:06
speaker is going to be you know we we were uh talking a little about how safer
58:12
banking is is going to impact you know cannabis businesses um a and you had mentioned the crime element which I've
58:19
talked about a lot on the show the fact that we make cannabis businesses cash only it is as you said it makes them a
58:26
ripe Target for Crime um when you talking about safer banking the the
58:32
timeline of implementing this let's say it you know we we do get the new speaker and things go ideally you know in terms
58:39
of of that bill in particular how quickly could cannabis businesses then
58:44
expect to be added to the federal banking system and start getting things or at least applying for things like
58:51
lines of credit and and bank accounts so that you know they could use credit card machines or you know sort of uh take out
58:57
small business loans instead of dealing in all cash well once it's signed into law um almost immediately and I would
59:04
say that the depository institutions uh just specifically uh having a bank
59:10
account uh is going to be the easiest thing um that that banks are are going to be willing to allow cannabis
59:17
businesses to do with them and I think we'll see that right off the bat um access to Capital uh is is is really a
59:25
whole other can of worms um I think it's still going to remain relatively
59:31
difficult to see that those lines of credit um if this bill were were to pass
59:37
tomorrow and get signed into law uh there has been a number of discussions in both the house and the senate about U
59:43
tweaking the language uh to allow um to to Really expedited access access to
59:50
Capital but we haven't seen those changes to date and um I'm not sure that we will quite frankly the other piece of
59:57
the the Banking Act um that's important is the just the momentum that it's going to create uh for cannabis reform so um
1:00:06
it's an important piece of legislation uh and it's one that obviously I spent a lot of my time advocating for I really
1:00:12
want to see it get done and I this is our window of opportunity to get it done but um it's going to create uh it's
1:00:19
going to show that a divided Congress uh can can actually get CID form done and
1:00:25
that that's a big deal uh and I think that if we're able to to show this progress that just means that there are
1:00:31
other things that we could we could see in the near future you know we need to rely on our Champions to to move this
1:00:37
bill through the Republican Congress very interesting that conversation could be yeah and uh there was the gavl you
1:00:43
just heard uh speaker McKenry interim is is at the is at the front the podium right now everyone's kind of finding
1:00:49
their seats and on this call 432 members have recorded Ed their presence the
1:00:56
question now occurs uh the question now recurs on the election of a speaker if
1:01:02
the tellers will please come forward and take their seats
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tellers no further nominations the reading clerk will now call the role
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Adams je Jeff ader
1:01:20
Hol Jordan agular
1:01:26
Jeff all for Jordan
1:01:34
Allan Jordan all
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red Jeff
1:01:45
Ade Jordan Armstrong
1:01:51
Jordan Arrington Jord
1:01:56
Jordan aen Claus Jeff
1:02:02
Jeff Babin
1:02:07
Jordan bacon McCarthy Mr bacon stays with his
1:02:13
vote of McCarthy that's one against Mr
1:02:18
Jordan the next one we're going to watch for is Lori Chavez Dara
1:02:25
gotcha thanks for that yeah so that is important that's one
1:02:31
Jordan balderson Jord Jordan balent Jeff
1:02:39
Jeff Banks Jordan
1:02:46
bar Jordan baragan Jeff
1:02:52
Jeff Bean of Florida Jord
1:02:58
Jordan batty
1:03:03
Jeff B
1:03:09
Jordan barah Jeff Jeff
1:03:16
Bergman Jord Jordan Byer Jeff Jeff
1:03:25
Bice Jordan bigs
1:03:31
Jordan Bill aracas Jordan Jordan Bishop of
1:03:39
Georgia Jeff Jeff Bishop of North Carolina Jordan
1:03:49
Jordan blooman hour Jeffrey Jeffrey
1:03:57
blunt Rochester Jeff
1:04:04
bobbert Jordan
1:04:10
banamichi Jeff Bost
1:04:17
Jordan Bowman Jeff
1:04:22
Jeff Bole of Pennsylvania Jeff
1:04:28
jeffri Bine Jordan
1:04:34
Brown Jeff Jeff
1:04:40
brownley Jeff
1:04:47
Buchanan
1:04:53
Donalds
1:05:04
Buck
1:05:11
emmer Mr Buck also votes against Mr Jordan and for Mr
1:05:17
emmer two ban
1:05:23
Jordan binski Jeff
1:05:28
Jeff burett
1:05:34
Jordan Burgess Jordan
1:05:41
Burleson Jord Jordan
1:05:46
Bush jeffes Calbert Jord Jordan
1:05:56
kamik Jordan
1:06:01
caraveo Jeff carbajal
1:06:08
Jeff card Dennis Jeff
1:06:13
Jeff Carrie Jordan Jordan
1:06:19
Carl Jord Jordan Carson I say Jeff
1:06:27
Jeff Carter of Georgia Jim Jordan
1:06:32
Jordan Carter of Louisiana Jeff
1:06:37
Jeff Carter of Texas
1:06:42
Jordan cartright Jeff
1:06:48
Jeff casar Jeff Jeff
1:06:56
case Jeff Casten
1:07:01
Jeff Castor of Florida Jeff Castro of
1:07:09
Texas Jeff Chavez
1:07:16
darer McCarthy there's another one she's holding her
1:07:22
ground this is that three
1:07:33
three sheris McCormick Jeff
1:07:40
two Jeff Cisco mon
1:07:47
Jordan Clark of Massachusetts Jeff Clark of New York
1:07:55
Jeff Jeff Cleaver
1:08:02
Jeff kleene Jordan
1:08:10
Cloud Jordan Clyburn
1:08:16
Jeff Clyde Jordan Cohen
1:08:30
Jeff Cole
1:08:36
Jordan Collins J Jordan
1:08:44
comr Jordan
1:08:51
Connelly Jeff kareah Jeff
1:08:58
Jeff Costa Jeff Courtney
1:09:05
Jeff Jeff Craig Jeff
1:09:13
Jeff crane Jordan
1:09:20
Crawford Jordan
1:09:27
crenchaw Jordan
1:09:32
Crocket Jeff Crow
1:09:39
Jeff quar Jeff
1:09:44
Jeff Curtis Jordan Davids of
1:09:52
Kansas Jeff Davidson
1:09:58
Jordan Davis of Illinois
1:10:04
Jeff Davis of North Carolina Jeff Jeff Dean of
1:10:12
Pennsylvania Jeff deette
1:10:19
Jeff Dela Cruz Jordan Jordan
1:10:27
deloro Jeff Del Ben
1:10:34
Jeff delusio Jeff
1:10:41
Des Jeff deer Jordan
1:10:48
Jordan Diaz Pito Lee zeld zeldon
1:10:54
there's another one so that is four by my count right
1:11:00
David that should what US yep there should be one more to go
1:11:08
Diaz Bard um scal there's another one there's five so
1:11:14
that's five so that should that should pretty much settle it is that right that should do it and uh we now need to to
1:11:21
pay attention to the the remainder and see who else is going to vote um again
1:11:29
and whether or not that number of 20 increases or decreases and I think
1:11:35
Donald's I still seeing it I see it increasing gotcha all right yeah let's
1:11:40
let's keep listening Jordan Duncan
1:11:46
Jordan dun of Florida Jordan
1:11:51
Jordan Edwards Jordan
1:12:00
LD Mike Garcia Mr Elie also sticks with Mike
1:12:05
Garcia that's another one so far there hasn't been anyone
1:12:11
that's changed their votes
1:12:17
okay emmer Jordan Escobar
1:12:24
Jeff Jeff suu
1:12:30
Jeff s Pat Jeff
1:12:38
Estus Jordan Evans Jeff
1:12:44
Jeff aelle Jordan
1:12:51
Fallon Jord Jordan
1:12:56
finstra Jordan Ferguson
1:13:03
scales there's another one Mr Ferguson that's new uh so that is a
1:13:10
change yep finstad
1:13:15
Jordan fishbach Jordan fitgerald
1:13:24
Jordan Fitzpatrick
1:13:29
Jordan Flashman Jim Jordan
1:13:38
Jordan Fletcher Jeff Jeff
1:13:44
flood Jordan Foster Jeff
1:13:51
fushi Jeff Jeff Jeff Fox
1:13:57
Jordan Lois Frankl
1:14:02
Jeff Scott Franklin Jordan
1:14:10
Frost Jeff Jeff
1:14:15
fry Jordan fure
1:14:22
Jordan Gates Jordan
1:14:29
Gallagher Jordan gyo
1:14:35
Jeff gam mindi Jeff Jeff
1:14:43
Garbarino zeldon also sticking with his vote for
1:14:52
zeldon Mike Garcia
1:14:59
Jordan Robert Garcia Jeff Jeff Garcia of Illinois Jeff
1:15:09
Jeff Garcia of Texas
1:15:15
Jeff Jimenez
1:15:21
McCarthy is another one Mr humanz sticking with his vote for
1:15:28
McCarthy golden of Maine Jeff Goldman of New
1:15:36
York Jeff Gomez
1:15:45
jeffes Tony Gonzales scalise also sticking with his vote for
1:15:52
scales
1:15:59
vente Gonzalez Jeff good of
1:16:08
Virginia Jordan Gooden of
1:16:13
Texas Jordan goar Jord
1:16:19
Jordan gimer Jeff
1:16:27
Granger
1:16:37
scales Graves of Louisiana
1:16:42
Jordan Graves of Missouri
1:16:48
Jordan green of Tennessee Jordan Jordan
1:16:53
green of
1:17:04
Texas jeffri green of
1:17:10
Georgia Jordan Griffith Jordan
1:17:15
Jordan grala Jeff
1:17:22
growman
1:17:27
growman Jordan guest Jord
1:17:34
Jordan Guthrie Jord Jordan
1:17:42
hagaman Jordan Harter of California
1:17:48
Jeff Harris Jordan
1:17:55
harburger Jordan
1:18:01
Hayes Jeff Hearn
1:18:06
Jordan Higgins of Louisiana
1:18:12
Jordan Higgins of New York Jeff
1:18:20
Hill Jordan Hees
1:18:25
Jeff Henson Jordan
1:18:32
Horford Jeff hin
1:18:38
Jordan hulahan Jeff Jeff
1:18:44
Hoyer Jeff Jeff hoil of
1:18:51
Oregon Jeff Hudson
1:18:57
Jordan Huffman Jeff hazinga Jordan
1:19:06
Jordan hunt
1:19:11
Jordan Isa Jordan Ivy Jeff
1:19:20
Jeff Jackson of Illinois
1:19:26
Jeff Jackson of North Carolina
1:19:31
Jeff Jackson of Texas
1:19:37
Jordan Jackson Lee Jeff
1:19:42
Jeff Jacobs Jeff Jeff James Candace Miller
1:19:51
michig Miller meek Candace Miller Candace Miller Michigan
1:19:56
Candace Miller of
1:20:15
Michigan have us about 12
1:20:21
now
1:20:27
house to come to order the clerk will continue jaia Paul
1:20:35
Jeff Jeff
1:20:40
Jeff
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Jeff you like that
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one
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Johnson of Georgia jeffes Johnson of
1:21:03
Louisiana Jordan Johnson of Ohio Jordan
1:21:11
Jordan Johnson of South Dakota Jord
1:21:17
Jordan Jordan Jordan
1:21:30
[Applause] Joyce of Ohio
1:21:37
Jordan Joyce of Pennsylvania Jordan cam logger
1:21:45
Dove je Jeff
1:21:51
Captor Jeff Kane of New
1:21:57
Jersey Jordan keing Jeff
1:22:05
jeffri Kelly of Illinois
1:22:11
Jeff Kelly of Mississippi Jordan Kelly of
1:22:19
Pennsylvania former Speaker of the House The Honorable John
1:22:28
fer that was a change of his vote he voted for scal last time Boehner this time lots of Applause
1:22:38
there
1:22:48
Conor an authoritative gavl from McKenry there Conor je I have
1:22:54
14 14 of Virginia got it compared with the 20 that we're watching all
1:23:09
right kildy
1:23:15
Jeff Kylie
1:23:20
Jordan Kilmer Jeff Kim of
1:23:27
California Jordan Kim of New Jersey
1:23:34
Jeff Krishna Mory Jeff
1:23:39
Jeff kuster Jeff
1:23:46
kustoff Jordan L Hood Jordan
1:23:55
theota
1:24:09
zeldon lamala
1:24:15
Jordan Lamborn that's a that's that's a
1:24:20
change oh okay l Jordan
1:24:27
lansman Jeff Langworthy Jim Jord
1:24:33
Jordan Larson of Washington Jeff Larson of
1:24:40
Connecticut Jeff L
1:24:47
Jordan lerer Jordan Jordan
1:24:54
Lawler speaker Kevin McCarthy McCarthy Lawler sticks with his vote
1:25:00
from
1:25:06
yesterday Lee of California Jeff
1:25:11
Jeff Lee of Florida Jordan Jordan Lee of
1:25:19
Nevada Jeff Jeff Lee of
1:25:26
Pennsylvania Jeff Ledger Fernandez Jeff
1:25:33
Jeff Lesco Jim Jordan Jordan
1:25:40
Leto Jordan Levan
1:25:46
Jeff Lou Jeff
1:25:54
Lofgren Jeff louder milk Jim Jordan
1:26:00
Jordan Lucas Jordan Luke
1:26:06
cayer Jordan
1:26:11
Luna Jordan I have and I be another four that should
1:26:20
be against Jordan putting us over that 20 number and there may be some additional Jordan gotcha okay so it
1:26:28
seems like we are on track for for more denters then malot tacas I think it's
1:26:33
going to be at least 20 potentially more man
1:26:40
Jordan Manning Jeff
1:26:47
Massi Jord Jordan mast Jord
1:26:53
Jordan Matt sui Jeff
1:27:01
mcbath Jeff McCarthy
1:27:11
Jordan Mcall Jordan Jordan
1:27:18
mlan Jordan mlen I Jeff
1:27:24
Jeff mclin talk
1:27:31
Jordan McCullum Jeff
1:27:39
Jeff McCormack Jord
1:27:44
Jordan McGarvey Jeff Jeff McGovern Jeff Jeff
1:27:54
McKenry Jordan Jordan Meeks Jeff
1:28:01
Jeff Menendez jeffri
1:28:07
Ming Jeff muser Jordan
1:28:14
Jordan mum Jeff Jeff Miller of Illinois
1:28:25
Jordan Miller of Ohio
1:28:30
Jordan Miller of West Virginia J Jord
1:28:35
Jordan Miller
1:28:41
Meeks
1:28:48
sry Granger
1:29:03
Ms Mills
1:29:08
Jordan Molinaro Jordan
1:29:15
molar Jordan Mooney Jordan more of
1:29:23
Alabama Jordan more of Utah
1:29:30
Jordan Moore of Wisconsin Jeff
1:29:35
Jeff Moran Jordan
1:29:41
Morelli Mr Jeff Jeff
1:29:47
mowt jeffri Molton
1:29:53
Jeff mvan Mr Jeff Jeff Mullen
1:30:00
Jeff Jeff Murphy Jord
1:30:07
Jordan Nadler Jeff
1:30:13
Jeff Napolitano Jeff
1:30:19
Jeff Neil Jeff
1:30:25
nus Jeff Nils Jordan
1:30:32
Jordan new house Jord Jordan
1:30:39
nickel Jeff Norcross Jeff
1:30:46
Jeff Norman Jim Jord Jordan none of
1:30:54
Iowa Jordan
1:31:01
oberti Jordan Ocasio Cortez Jeff
1:31:07
Jeff ogles Jordan
1:31:14
Omar Jeff Owens
1:31:20
Jordan palone Jeff Jeff
1:31:27
Palmer Jordan Panetta
1:31:34
Jeff Papas jeffes
1:31:41
pasel Jeff Jeff
1:31:50
pay Payne
1:31:56
Pelosi truly [Music]
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[Applause] hon Jeff
1:32:07
pela Jeff Pence Jordan
1:32:13
Jordan Perez
1:32:19
Perez Jeff jeffre
1:32:25
Perry Jordan Peters
1:32:30
Jeff Pon
1:32:36
Jeff fluger Jordan
1:32:43
Phillips Jeff ping green
1:32:49
Jeff jeffri poan
1:32:55
Jeff Porter Jeff Jeff
1:33:04
posie Jordan
1:33:13
Presley Jeff quickley Jeff
1:33:20
Jeff Ramirez Jeff
1:33:25
Jeff Rasin jeffes Russian
1:33:32
ther Jordan Rogers of
1:33:38
Washington Jordan Rogers of
1:33:44
Alabama Jordan Rogers of
1:33:50
Kentucky Jordan Rose
1:33:57
Jordan rosenell Jordan Ross Jeff
1:34:05
Jeff Rouser Jord Jordan
1:34:11
Roy Mr Jordan Jordan Ruiz
1:34:17
Jeff Jeff rers bger
1:34:22
Jeff Jeff rord Steve scal
1:34:33
scales rord sticks with his vote Ryan Jeff
1:34:41
Jeff Salazar Jordan Jordan
1:34:48
Selenas Jeff Sanchez The Honorable Jeff
1:34:55
Jeff Santos people of Long Island Jord
1:35:03
Jordan SAR vains
1:35:09
Jeff scalise Jordan [Applause]
1:35:20
Jordan scan Jeff Jeff Sakowski Jeff
1:35:28
Jeff shiff Jeff
1:35:35
Schneider Jeff Scolton
1:35:41
Jeff SRI Jeff schwier Jord
1:35:50
Jordan Austin Scott
1:35:57
Jordan David Scott Jeff
1:36:04
jeffes Scott of Virginia Jeff
1:36:11
selford Jordan sessions
1:36:18
Jordan SU
1:36:25
Jeff Sherman Jeff
1:36:33
Cheryl Jeff Simpson SC
1:36:46
scalise sloten Jeff simp Simpson also keep Smith
1:36:53
of Missouri Jordan Smith of Nebraska Jord
1:37:00
Jordan Smith of New Jersey Jordan Jordan Smith of Washington Jeff
1:37:09
Jeff smucker Jordan
1:37:15
soron Jeff Jeff SoDo Jeff
1:37:22
Jeff spamburger Jeff
1:37:32
sparts sparts
1:37:37
Stanberry demy
1:37:44
Jeff Stanton Jeff stalber Bruce Wester
1:38:00
Westerman this is at 20 it's probably going to end up at 2122 Sparks missed the vote and
1:38:08
wac is left steel
1:38:15
Jordan stefanic Jordan style Jord
1:38:22
Jordan stuby Jordan
1:38:27
Stevens jeffes Strickland Jeff
1:38:34
Jeff strong Jordan
1:38:40
swell Jeff Sykes Jeff
1:38:50
Tano Jeff Tenny Jordan tanad
1:38:58
Dar Jeff Thompson of
1:39:03
California Jeff Thompson of
1:39:09
Mississippi Jeff Thompson of
1:39:14
Pennsylvania Jordan
1:39:20
Tiffany Jordan
1:39:25
Timmons Jordan
1:39:30
Titus Jeff
1:39:36
T TB takuda Jeff
1:39:43
Jeff tonco Jeff jeffri Torres of California Jeff
1:39:53
Jeff Torres of New York Jeff
1:40:00
Jeff Tran Jeff
1:40:09
trone trone
1:40:15
Turner Jordan Underwood Jeffrey Jeffrey
1:40:23
valo Jordan van
1:40:29
Drew The Honorable Jim Jordan Jordan van Dy Jord
1:40:37
Jordan Ben Orton Jim Jordan
1:40:42
Jordan Vargas Jeff Jeff
1:40:49
Vasquez Jeff Jeff
1:41:01
je VC Jeff Jeff
1:41:08
Vasquez Jeff Wagner
1:41:14
Jordan Walberg Jim Jordan Jordan Waltz Jordan
1:41:22
Jordan waserman Schultz Jeff
1:41:33
Waters Jeff Watson
1:41:41
Coleman Jeff Weber of Texas Jim Jord
1:41:49
Jordan Webster of Florida
1:41:54
Jordan winstrup Jordan
1:42:02
Westerman Jordan wxon
1:42:10
Jeff wild jeffes Williams of Georgia Jeff
1:42:18
Jeff Williams of newor New York Jordan Jordan Williams of
1:42:26
Texas Jim Jordan Jordan Wilson of
1:42:32
Florida Jeff Jeff Wilson of South
1:42:38
Carolina Jordan Whitman
1:42:44
Jordan wac scales wac also keeps his vote for scal
1:42:53
it should put us at 22 yakum
1:43:00
Jordan ziny Jim Jordan of Ohio
1:43:10
Jordan and so now it seems like they tally it up everyone has had their say
1:43:16
um David as as you mentioned you've been you know tallying as we were going here and and really appreciate you you know
1:43:23
just sticking around and taking us through this and going Name by name uh and just kind of you know highlighting
1:43:28
which ones are worth paying attention to why it matters and it seems like you know you had predicted that there would
1:43:35
be more than the 20 votes heading into today um and and it seems like we ended
1:43:41
up with 22 that's right uh 22 is the number that I've got they'll formally announce it
1:43:47
here on the floor shortly but uh we are off to the next vote and who will be
1:43:53
that individual that they vote for we don't know if Mr Jordan will continue uh
1:43:59
his efforts uh to to uh uh to become speaker uh if he thinks that there's a
1:44:05
willingness on the third ballot to get other individuals to side with him um my
1:44:10
gut is that he's going to receive a number of a great deal of pressure uh to go ahead and pull himself out of the
1:44:17
race um and I also think that uh comments about Mr McHenry earlier I
1:44:23
think that there's a willingness of amongst the Democrats to work with Mr McKenry and now call the names of the
1:44:29
members who did first call the role they're going to call a couple that Jeff that missed during the the
1:44:38
initial corre yeah gotcha I noticed a few of those as they [Applause]
1:44:45
wents sparts
1:44:51
[Applause]
1:44:57
Jordan spartz has voted uh for Jordan so that's a change um she previously had voted
1:45:05
against so to
1:45:14
Jeff next is TR Jeff
1:45:23
Jeff so now that seems like they got to the 221 and you're saying with that
1:45:28
change there of of the initial members who who voted and the first pass through
1:45:34
who had missed their chance to vote for whatever reason they after going through them the stragglers let's say um one of
1:45:42
them changed their vote from yesterday so that take us down to 21 no uh that should actually keep us at 22 so we had
1:45:49
uh we had two members that changed their vote from yesterday to support Mr Jordan okay and we had two two members that
1:45:55
changed their vote in support of to against or for other members so uh we
1:46:01
are going to end up at 22 um and again the question is going to
1:46:06
be whether Mr Jordan fights on or whether he decides to pull out of the race um I I think that uh my God says
1:46:15
that he will um get a great deal of pressure to to u pull out of the race uh
1:46:21
I think that's what he ultimately will do and I think that there is uh some
1:46:26
willingness uh amongst the Democrats to work with Mr McKenry to find a pathway forward the the house has been out of uh
1:46:35
has been without a speaker now for over 14 days and this has got to get resolved the business of the country is is uh
1:46:42
critical right now and they have got to get um got to work so right right I I I
1:46:48
totally agree with you and and as you said with that wash you know take it two two change to support two change against
1:46:56
so that basically leaves us with the 22 which is to more uh against Jordan than
1:47:02
the 20 from yesterday I also would have to think that you know going in the
1:47:07
other direction than somebody than Jordan and any of his supporters would want it to go in terms of the number of
1:47:13
people voting yes for him uh you'd have to think that there would be significant pressure not to waste any more time with
1:47:19
a third uh vote for Jordan and let's move on to somebody who can actually fill the seat
1:47:26
McKenry who's already in it or someone who can actually just get the votes
1:47:32
that's needed so that we can move Beyond this and as you say get back to the people's business because there's a lot
1:47:39
more important stuff to deal with that's exactly right and we will know the next steps here soon enough uh but it's been
1:47:45
fun sitting here and watching the vote with you I I certainly hope uh that your listeners have have enjoyed watching
1:47:52
this historic moment because this is going to have a very big impact uh on um
1:47:59
uh cannabis reform whoever the speaker ends up being um there could be a a pretty sizable shift of deck chairs in
1:48:06
the house and we'll have to address that but in the meantime for those of you here in Washington uh please get up to
1:48:13
the hill and please help build that list of co-sponsors on the safe Banking Act in the house uh and let's all continue
1:48:18
to do our good works to get this out of the Senate as well absolutely uh David Culver uh senior vice president of
1:48:24
public affairs at the US cannabis Council and and doing such great work with legalized America thank you so much
1:48:30
for for jumping in today and not only just taking us through the great work that you guys are doing and helping us
1:48:36
kind of sus out uh the nuances of of both sides of all these Topics in
1:48:41
Washington and especially for sticking around so long and uh going through the names as we we did sit through this uh
1:48:48
historic moment of of a second attempted election of Jim Jordan to the speaker's
1:48:53
position and uh I can't thank you enough for just taking all the time today really appreciate it my pleasure thanks
1:48:59
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